Katherine Smith (00:00):
Absolutely Dan. I mean, everybody knows when the feds make charges, they usually win, so they're going to go for something that they have solid proof. For example, the GoFundMe allegations with Sapphire or the pit bull, great wire fraud.

Dan Abrams (00:12):
Let's talk about that. That's the dog where a Navy vet came forward and said that there was a GoFundMe page that was started by George Santos and then basically ripped him off. Let me play. This is number six. This is Richard Ossoff talking about what he said happened to him.

Richard Osthoff (00:30):
She died about four months after this all went down. There was a string of texts between me and Devolder. I talked to him one time on the phone and in one of the texts, I was so upset about that. I knew I wasn't going to get the money. At that point, I knew there was something going on. I was like, I know that you mind my dog and my friends and family's hearts to raise money for yourself. And he told me that was the most offensive, horrible thing anybody had ever said to him.

Dan Abrams (00:54):
Devolder, of course, is another name that George Santos went by. How is that a possible federal crime?

Kristy Greenberg (01:00):
Well, if he, again, it has a GoFundMe and he's stating that his purpose is to raise money for these animals, and in fact, he's pocketing the money for himself. He's engaged in basic garden variety fraud.

Dan Abrams (01:14):
And Kevin McCarthy has said, and I want to play this. This is what he said about what happened. I mean, up to this point, he's sort of stuck by him, but he's also said if there's a crime involved that could change things. This is number five.

Kevin McCarthy (01:29):
Now, I will

Kevin McCarthy (01:30):
Hold him to the same standard I hold anyone else elected to Congress. If for some way when we go through ethics that he has broken the law, then we will remove him.

Dan Abrams (01:40):
And Katie. I would expect that in this sort of document, they will probably lay out in pretty specific detail exactly how they believe that Santos broke the law. Right?

Katherine Smith (01:52):
Absolutely. But we need for it to be first unsealed because if it is sealed, then the general public will not have access to that information. But once we see it, we'll be able to see the Prima fascia case.

Dan Abrams (02:03):
And right now, it may be that George Santos doesn't even know, right? Is it possible if it's under sealed right now that's Santos doesn't even know what he's been charged with?

Kristy Greenberg (02:12):
That's

(02:12):
Entirely possible. One would expect that the prosecutors are in touch with his counsel and may have told him what he's been charged with,

(02:20):
But doubtful

(02:21):
That he's actually seen the indictment if it's not been unsealed.

Dan Abrams (02:25):
And remember, he's still being investigated by a whole bunch of other entities as well. And this is going to be the ultimate intersection of politics and law. There's the legal side, and then there's the political side. Because there's a political matter, he can still continue doing his job. If he's under indictment, in theory, he can continue his job even after he is convicted, have to be impeached. Anyway, Christie Greenberg, Katie Smith, thank you both. Appreciate it. Thank you for watching. Go to News Nation now.com to find News Nation on your cable provider, and don't forget to click the red subscribe button below to get more of news. Fact-driven, unbiased coverage.